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Star Wars – FIRE & WATER #107

Star Wars - The Fire & Water Podcast

The 107th episode of THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST is now available for your listening pleasure! THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST is the official podcast of FIRESTORM FAN and THE AQUAMAN SHRINE.

Aquaman and Firestorm continue their vacation, as Shag and Rob discuss a rarely-covered podcast subject, Star Wars! They talk about their history with the franchise, and their hopes for EPISODE VII. May The Force Be With You!

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Here are some photos of Shag’s Star Wars classic toy collection!

Star Wars action figures from Kenner - Shag's classic collection

Notice the Death Star still has the rope swing!

Star Wars toys from Kenner - Shag's collection of vehicles

Here is Shag’s Star Wars comic collection!

Star Wars comic books - Shag's comic collection

Shag’s novel collection!

Star Wars novels - Shag's book collection

Shag’s Star Wars Role-playing game collection!

Star Wars RPG - Shag's role-playing collection

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  1. That was unexpected but fun. I always feel a bit left out when it comes to Star Wars and our generation. I was only 2 and a half when the film hit, and my parents probably thought it was too scary to go see in the theater. This carried over to me not seeing Empire and Jedi on the big screen as well. The mania just never took hold of me quite like it did others around my age. I did like Star Wars, and had a few toys, pop-up books, book and record sets, etc, but it was never THE thing that occupied my mind at all times.

    My son has been big into Star Wars, and that has rekindled my fondness for it, so any new Star Wars thing is a big deal. Luckily, he has good taste, and prefers the original trilogy, although he also likes the prequels. No sugar-coating, those are pretty bad films. There are good elements, but I think Rob is right about it being flawed on both ends; concept and execution. Bad casting of not-so-good actors and bad direction of GOOD actors are the two things that really damage the films for me. But that horse has been beaten and dead for years.

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t done an animated “Shadows of the Empire” movie. Maybe Disney should look into that! Get the cast to provide the voices, and fill that gap between the films. I’d watch it!


  2. Am in the middle of listening right now (plays while I drive). Just got past the part where you argue that you’re not “haters” of the prequel trilogy. You just thought they were bad movies.

    I have no interest in defending the prequel trilogy (I perhaps didn’t think they were as bad as you guys did, but I wouldn’t consider them “good”, either), but I wonder at the attempt to dodge the “hater” label. It seems as though you know that to be a “hater” is a bad thing, but I’m not convinced by the attempt (really, not much of one, so far as I could tell) to discern a difference between a “hater” and someone who just thought the movies were terrible.

    What do you really think a hater is? If it is someone who can’t say ANYTHING good about the movies… I think you’re setting the bar too high.

    Moreover, I’m not convinced that it is such a bad thing to be a “hater” of something that is truly bad. If that’s what you guys think of the prequels, there’s no need to water that down. Feel free to express how you truly feel.

    As the Emperor might say, “Let the hate flow through you!” 😉

    1. wolfgang hartz says:

      I disagree with what you said. I’m glad Rob and Shag said they were not haters because it made me think “okay, they don’t like a movie that I like, but they are polite about it. They seem like reasonable, nice people.” But your comment just makes me feel bad. To me, the prequels are just as good as the older movies. And when people like you say they hate them, it makes me feel like I’m some kind of freak for liking episodes I to III.

      1. Shag says:

        Hi Wolfgang – Thanks for your comments. Everyone has their own opinions and I don’t fault anyone who likes the prequels. I simply don’t like them and that’s my opinion. If other people enjoy them, I think that’s fantastic. Everyone should have “their” era of Star Wars that they love. In regard to specifics, we didn’t want to dwell on the prequels and nitpick them. We don’t enjoy them and would rather talk about aspects of Star Wars we do enjoy. Hope you understand.

      2. Matt Whitmore says:

        Wolfgang – Your not the only one who likes the prequels. I’m not a fan of Episode II, but I really like Episode I and think Episode III is fantastic.

    2. Shag says:

      Hey Mark! Thanks for the comment and the laugh! Trying to dodge the “hater” label was very intentional. I feel there is a difference between hating the movies and being a “hater”. I definitely hate Episode I, and dislike Episodes II & III. However, a “hater” is someone who loudly professes they hate everything about the prequels, from their existence, to the Clone Wars cartoon, to just about anything. They will often start arguments with people who like the prequels or try to instigate arguments. Sort of like internet “trolls”, folks who complain just for the sake of stirring up controversy. Hope that makes sense.

  3. wolfgang hartz says:

    I wish Rob and Shag went more in depth on why they don’t enjoy the prequel trilogy. For example, Rob said The Phantom Menace was flawed in conception and execution, but he never says what the flaws are. And they say that Attack of the Clones was boring, but that’s all they say about it. They never go into why they think that Episode II was boring. I love Star Wars, and if someone doesn’t like any part of it, that’s fine, everyone has a right to their opinion, and I’m not angry at Rob or Shag for expressing them, but this podcast just isn’t enough to make me understand why they don’t like episodes I to III.

  4. Michael Chiaroscuro says:

    Ah, this was fantastic! It was a blast taking this trip down memory lane with you, Shag and Rob! When Rob discussed the cycle of hitting your teens, wanting to “grow up” and ditching your toys, then soon after that regretting it and wishing you still had them around, I smiled because the same thing happened to me. I probably had as many figures as in the top photo above, including the Darth Vader carrying case, along with the Millennium Falcon and some other sets, plus most of the Super Powers and Secret Wars collections…and I gave them all away during my high school and college years. Then within, oh, a year of giving away the last chunk, nostalgia grabbed hold of me and I regretted not having them around anymore. So, thanks Rob for putting voice to that nostalgia/regret that most of us have experience with relation to our old collectibles.

  5. Matt Whitmore says:

    I REALLY enjoyed this episode of The Fire and Water Podcast. I should probably duck when I say this, but I actually like Star Wars more than either Aquaman or Firestorm. I would love for the Rob and Shag to do a Star Wars episode about once a quarter. Shag has mentioned multiple times his love for Star Trek. Any chance of a Star Trek episode in the future?

  6. rob! says:

    Speaking for the “water” side of the show, yeah maybe I dismissed all the prequels a little quickly, but we had a lot to cover and didn’t want to turn the show into “two angry nerds crap on the prequels.” Our love of Star Wars is so massive that I think we both pretty wanted to keep the show as upbeat as possible.

    On a separate note, no one should feel bad for liking any movie. It’s just a movie, and everyone brings something different to the viewing experience. No one should ever feel like they “shouldn’t” like a movie just because.

    Except Van Helsing.

    1. I got into Van Helsing for free and walked out 45 minutes in.

  7. Put me down for wanting to hear you two talk Trek.

    And yes…Van Helsing is the most irredeemable (sorry Shag) movie ever made. Kate Beckinsale in a bustier couldn’t even save it.


  8. Kyle Benning says:

    There is a lot to like in the Prequels. There are definitely rough spots, and some poor execution and planned parts, but I think if they were to do a Special Edition edit of these films (and unlike the last special edition trilogy actually fix the mistakes, and not just add new stuff) they could make the movies a lot smoother. The novel adaptions of the prequels are fantastic, purely fantastic. If they tightened up the dialogue (aka had someone else write it) and add a few more tweaks, they could make those movies, which at some points are already good, into absolutely fantastic movies. There are parts where the dialog is clunky, they kind of beat around the bush with some plot points or character dynamics, and with tweaking those, the movies could be really stellar. The biggest thing I would change, would be Anakin’s age. Rob touched on that, Scott Gardner and Chris Honeywell have both discussed it length many times over at TTF, I think that making Anakin 16-18 and having Obi-Wan be around 25 would have made them more contempories and made the dynamic a little better. I also think having Obi-Wan being the one whom find Anakin instead of Qui-Gon would have been a much better touch.

    I think that the Clone Wars show has fleshed out a lot of character dynamic and even given the setting or era of the Republic a little more context and its own persona. Something Clone Wars and the novels better emphasizes were the kind of complacency and borderline corruptness of the Jedi. These were supposed to be the spirtual leaders of the Republic, and they instead started to lean more heavily on technology and flexing their power, moving away from their idealistic & selfless Jedi routes. I can’t help but see it as a little bit of a parallel with the Roman Catholic Church back in the days of Martin Luther, with Anakin being Luther. There are times this sort of dynamic appears in the films, but it is subtle, sometimes too subtle, and easy to miss if you don’t see the Jedi coming across as a-holes more in the Clone Wars and novels. They should have played that up more. Qui-Gon saw it, and Anakin saw it, that is why he is so maleable for Palpentine, he sees the Jedi doing things that they shouldn’t, and so he has this internal struggle, where he wants to break free from this corruptness, which opens him up to Palpentine turning him. Anakin reports these troubling things he sees the Jedi doing to his friend Palpentine, who then in turn uses that corruption to sway Anakin into an anti-Jedi mindset. Anakin sees the Jedi start to self indulge as they begin to start clinging, even thirsting more power. They are starting to lose touch with the force as they move further away from their core ideals, and that bugs Anakin. As a result of the Jedi doing this, they lose favor with the Force, Yoda realizes that, as they are becoming increasingly blind with what is happening as the Dark Side rises to power. That’s all there, that’s the message, at least that I take away from the prequels, but they beat around the bush with it and it gets lost a bit. Making that a stronger, more evident focal point would make the movies stronger.

    I think the biggest difference in the 2 trilogies is the focal point of each trilogy, and I think that change in focus is why the new trilogy doesn’t necessarily resonate with those who have been fans since 1977. In the original movies, the focus is defeating the Empire, which is this super powerful space dictatorship. Yeah the Jedi stuff is there, but that is a minor part of it. The Empire is this massive, technology-heavy dictatorship with super weapons that snuff out all who oppose it. I mean we don’t even know that the Emperor himself is a force-wielder until the last half of Jedi, so the Emperor being a Sith Lord is only in play approximately 17% of the original trilogy. The Force is still kind of this vague, mysterious fantasy/magical thing, that we don’t quite fully understand, but it’s there and a crucial part of the story, but not THEE story. It’s a component of the larger story, but the larger story is defeating this super powerful space dictatorship and all of their futuristic and advanced weapons and ships. The defining moment of Star Wars is the explosion of the Death Star, it isn’t Obi-Wan Kenobi vs. Vader. While the Jedi vs. Sith tone is ramped up in Empire and Jedi, it is not the sole focus, just part of the equation.

    Then comes the 1990’s, and the first real in depth exploration of the Force, and all of its working, of the Sith vs. Jedi, all thanks to the Dark Horse Comics. It starts in Dark Empire, and continues throughout that story, meanwhile the ancient past of the Jedi and the rise of the Sith is explored in the Tales of the Jedi set of mini-series. Here is where the focus on Star Wars completely shifts, it is no longer the tale of Space battles, it is the tale of the Force. It’s not Star Wars, it’s Jedi Wars, or Force Wars. And growing up reading that, I guess that kind of focus just goes hand-in-hand with Star Wars in my mind. The Original Trilogy will always be my gateway, but I guess this series of Jedi comics where so much of the focus was on the force still played such a huge impact on my “vision of Star Wars,” that Star Wars adaptions or interpretations that focus more heavily on the Force part of the story may just resonate with me, or people my age a little easier. I don’t want to say that I’m more open-minded to those type of Stories, that isn’t it, my total hate of the Man of Steel movie stands as a watermark of proof saying I don’t like to stray too far outside my vision of a certain property or character definition as far as geekdom goes. What I think is the difference here is that the first impact of Star Wars was still fresh in my mind, and maleable. From the time I first saw all three of the original Star Wars movies until the time I was reading thess Dark Horse Jedi stories was probably within a 5 year span in the early to mid 90’s. So the parameters set by the original trilogy were not as engrained in stone as someone who had been an avid Star Wars fan for 20 years. I mean think about that, if you saw Star Wars in 1977, it was nearly 20 years later when these Tales of the Jedi stories came out, and since they now focused 100% on the Force aspect, a component that had been only a component over the last 20 years, that interpretation of Star Wars would be drastically different than the one you grew up with. By that time, the original movies would have a very distinct and definitive “feeling” of Star Wars to you. I guess where I’m going with this in a very roundabout, tangent-laiden way is this, the prequel trilogy picks up that dynamic laid out by the Tales of the Jedi series (whether that was intentional or not) and instead of the Force aspect being a part of the story, it is now almost THEE ENTIRE STORY. The Focus of the Star Wars prequels was completely different. Instead of evil super weapon space Empire, it is now all about the Force. And I guess why I think that the Prequels don’t necessarily resonate with fans who have been around since 1977 is because that tone or focus difference between the 2 trilogies is very drastic if you weren’t picking up the Dark Horse comics and seeing that tone or focus shift towards a more Force heavy story during the decade leading up to the Phantom Menance. If you go from Jedi right to Phantom Menance, with nothing in between, there is just all of a sudden a massive focus or tone shift that happened in the 16 years between movies, where as if you were reading the Dark Horse Jedi comics, that focal point in Phantom Menance was the same it had been for the past 7-8 years. At least that is my take on it. While the prequels took the Force Exploration in a very different way than the Dark Horse Jedi comics did, the precendent of the story shifting to a more mystical Force-centric focus was already implanted in my mind, so even though the Phantom Menace was severely lacking in the epic space battle area, the Force focus still felt like Star Wars to me.

    Star Wars has always broke new ground and pushed the movie medium into new heights, the prequels are no different. As much as everyone hates Jar Jar Binks and Watto, myself included, those characters are ground breaking, they are the first fully CGI characters introduced into a film. Now here 15 years later that seems crazy to think about, since it is a practice so commonly used, but right here in Phantom Menance is ground zero for a huge leap in movie technology. Star Wars has a rich history of breaking new ground and pushing the movie industry and the way movies are made forward, and the prequels follow that trend. That in itself should be the source of some appreciation of what Lucas set out to do with those movies. As excited as I am for a new trilogy, I wonder if these new 3 movies will continue that trend of pushing the movie medium forward? Sadly with Lucas not being involved, I don’t think that will be the case. That’s not to say that the movies can’t be great, or better than the prequels; I just think that the movies may lack the innovation or truly ground breaking advancement in cinema that the past 6 movies have had.

    But enough of that, as the prequel discussion made up very little of the actual episode, which was fantastic as usual by the way. I’m always up for listening to people talk Star Wars. I got onboard with Star Wars just before it came soaring back into popularity in the 90’s, as far as the Trilogy re-release and Power of the Force II Figures goes. I was really into Star Wars, no one else my age really new what it was all about, and then it came soaring back on a new wave of popularity and everyone was engrossed in it. It was a great time to be a kid and buying comics, trading cards (love me some Topps Widevision cards based on the original trilogy), and action figures. For me what pushed that envelope even further was Shadows of the Empire. I mean I saw EU Novels on the stands, even bought a couple, but in my mind at that time that wasn’t “official” Star Wars stuff. There weren’t any comics, trading cards, or action figures associated with those books. And then came Shadows of the Empire, which hit on all cylinders, I mean it had it all. All of these new characters were visible in so many other forms and media. There wasn’t just the book, there were new figures for these new characters (Xizor, Swoop, Dash Rendar) as well as existing characters in new costumes (Chewie Bounty Hunter, Luke in Imperial Guard disguise), a video game, comics, trading cards, and a soundtrack. Shadows of the Empire was the first new Star Wars story that seemed to be fully embraced on all fronts and “official.” All of us kids heard rumblings of new movies and we immediately thought that it was going to be an adaption of Shadows of the Empire. By this time the Original Trilogy had be re-released in that great VHS Boxset and all had the Episode IV New Hope on it, a feature the rented VHS copy I had previously watched the film on was lacking, and so then we wondered what were episodes I-III? Where were these films? Had then been made already? Were there at least existing books out there? All of us 8-10 year olds would have our answer to that soon enough. After listening to all of the TTF Star Wars Monthly Monday Episodes, as well as the Growing up Star Wars and My Star Wars Story Episodes, it is easy to see that the true Golden Age of Star Wars fandom was 1977-1983. I don’t think the world will ever see that sort of phenomenon again, not just for Star Wars, but for any property. Honestly I don’t think it can happen, but if there was a Silver Age for Star Wars, it was definitely that 1992-1997 era. As big of deal as the prequels were I don’t think they reached the levels of popularity or pop culture hotness that the Power of the Force II Figure Line, Early Dark Horse Comics, Zahn Trilogy, Shadows of the Empire, and Special Edition era of Star Wars hit in the early to mid-90’s.

    As evident in this ridiculously long, approaching Frank-level feedback, I have a lot of say about Star Wars, so please feel free to talk about it as frequently as possible in future episodes. Fan the Flame and Ride the Wave.

  9. Kyle Benning says:

    Holy crap that was even longer than I thought it was. I need help, like Obi-Wan help, he may be my only hope.

    May the Force Be With You.

  10. Matt Whitmore says:

    If you do another Star Wars episode sometime in the future, I vote that you have Kyle be a guest on it. What an AMAZING commentary. I never thought about Star Wars being divided into two halves – the space battles and Jedi / force. While I like the Jedi, I’ve always strongly preferred the space battles version of Star Wars.

  11. After 106 episodes you guys finally talk about something I care about!

    Great episode, guys! This was well timed as I’ve been on a real Star Wars kick lately prepping for a SW RPG with some buddies. Fantasy Flight, the current license-holders of Star Wars RPG, have been putting out some great roleplaying material with a new dice mechanic that is very intriguing. So anyway, yeah I’ve been thinking about Star Wars lately.

    If I recall correctly, Shag mentioned one time the difference between Star Wars fandom and Star Trek fandom is that Trekkers long ago figured out how to separate all the Trek material into different canons and continuities. Star Wars fans, for some reason, were never able to do that and had to cram all the contradictory and just plain stupid Star Wars material on the same timeline.

    Well, the prequel movies burned me on that. I make up my own Star Wars canon, and it doesn’t include The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, or Revenge of the Sith. My Star Wars is Star Wars (which I’ve stopped calling A New Hope), The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, most of the Timothy Zahn novels and a handful of other books and comics. Dark Empire, as great as it was, does not work in the same continuity as the Thrawn books; it should be a different continuity.

    Also, Shag, good on you for not calling the movies by their numeric distinction.

    A few recommendations: Star Wars: X-Wing Rogue Squadron the comic book series is terrific! Dark Horse collected the whole series in three paperback omnibus editions. If you can find them for cheap, I highly recommend. Also, Dark Horse’s last series before losing the license back to Marvel: Legacy Volume II. The stories are set 140 years in the future, so they’re only tangentially connected to the original heroes, but the stories are a lot of fun. The heroes feel like underdog dregs from the far corners of the galaxy up against impossible odds–just like Star Wars.

  12. Now for my controversial Star Wars statement:

    The prequel movies get progressively worse. Yes, Rob, The Phantom Menace is the least awful of the awful prequel trilogy. Revenge of the Sith is the worst.

    Like you guys I saw The Phantom Menace multiple times in the theater, denying to myself how bad it was. (I think I saw it five or six times.) I saw L’Attaque des Clones a couple times. I saw Revenge of the Sith one time, and I almost got thrown out of the theater for laughing obnoxiously when Anakin “goes bad” and they kill Samuel L. Jackson.

    Revenge of the Sith, to me, has no likable or redeeming qualities. I failed to connect with any of the characters before hand, and by the time that movie came along I just downright hated them. L’Attaque des Clones is boring and dumb, but it has exactly one scene that I enjoyed watching. I liked Obi-Wan Kenobi fighting Jango Fight in the rain, because it was something we had never seen before. There is no other point in the films where a Jedi goes head-to-head with a non-Jedi that is evenly matched.

    As for The Phantom Menace, I won’t pretend to defend the story; it’s incomprehensible. I won’t pretend to defend the characters; they’re dumb. I don’t even like Darth Maul. But the movie gets two points for me: 1) It is a fairly self-contained story of adventure, and 2) Liam Neeson. The character of Qui-Gon Jinn is as poorly written as any of the others, but Liam Neeson’s natural charisma makes him watchable.

    George Lucas is not good at directing people, and he makes talented actors (Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, Jimmy Smits) look stupid, but Liam Neeson sidestepped Lucas’ toxicity in the same way that Harrison Ford did in the original Star Wars.

    Again, I don’t like the prequels. They’re not “my Star Wars”. But I think they got worse as they went along.

  13. Also, really enjoyed Shag’s enthusiasm during the outro!

  14. rob! says:

    To paraphrase Mike Gillis in an email he sent to the show, I could write a Russian novel explaining all the things wrong with the prequels.

    I think the reason I enjoyed Sith the most is because during the last third, some of the familiar Star Wars trappings start showing up to say nothing of JEJ as Vader, even if he stuck with horrendous dialogue.

  15. David Sopko says:

    Great episode so far. Listening to it right now.

    I remember seeing the 1977 movie on its initial release (a week or so after it hit) and then seeing it every time they re-released it. First figure I ever got was Artoo-Detoo. Have all the soundtrack Albums. Had so many of the toys (including the Death Star play set.

    Always wanted a Wedge figure (whether from A New Hope or Empire or Jedi…but no.

    I still have the board games, the albums, the storybooks. Looking so forward to taking my son (and daughter) to see the new movie next year. The reason I focus on him though is that he is into Star Wars way more than his sister, and he will be 7 years old…the same age I was seeing it when it was released. Kinda karmic.

    One last thought, my mom was so cool when Empire and Jedi were released, she kept me home from school to go see them opening day…the first show at the local showcase Cinema. Oh yeah, while I liked the prequel movies for what they were…they are not in the same league for me as the original trilogy.

  16. rob! says:

    One last thought, my mom was so cool when Empire and Jedi were released, she kept me home from school to go see them opening day

    Mom of the Decade!!

  17. I talked to a fifteen year old boy a couple weeks ago who said, “The new Star Wars movies were going to rape [his] childhood” and then proceeded to talk about how cool Darth Maul and the Clone Wars were.

    So, every generation has its thing.

  18. Frank says:

    The first time I heard the word “prequel” was during the promotion of a different Lucasfilm property, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, which was also a focal point for the invention of PG-13. On the Thanksgiving episode of Marvel Super Heroes, the need for an up-aged PG grade will be discussed in relation to yet another Lucasfilm that would strain Rob’s words of tolerance here.

    I’ve got to say, I struggled a bit with this episode. The execution was fine, but I’m so exhausted by Star Wars fandom that the subject matter could barely sustain my interest. That, and when Shag took a deep dive into the Expanded Universe, it sounded to my ear like he was speaking in tongues. I was born at the right time to have seen the six Star Wars episodes during their theatrical runs and buy the toys when “action figures” were a new thing. I’ve been there, done that, and schlepped it around in the Darth Vader bust carrying case. I just don’t even care enough about my own War stories to relate them, but I’ll probably end up seeing the first Abrams movie for the cast alone, and maybe that’ll treat my Post Prequel Ennui Disorder.

    Do Star Trek.

  19. Darrin and Ruth Sutherland says:

    Looks like all of the Star Wars commentary is on Firestorm Fan instead of Aquaman Shrine. So, here are my thoughts.

    Great podcast! As a kid, I was into everything Star Wars when it was first released. I had all of the initial figures, including the special stand you could get via mail order and the Death Star play set. I had to convince my parents that I needed two figures each of the Stormtroopers, Jawas, and Sand People to represent they were always in groups.

    I read all of the Marvel comics and still have them today. I was thrilled when the comics moved to Dark Horse because the art was stronger and the stories were more mature.

    I loved all of the early novels and thought the Thrawn trilogy should have been filmed. So many great stories being produced in the 1990s that I could have never foreseen how bad the prequels would be. Like Shag, I enjoyed listening to the audiobook adaptations of those novels.

    Then came the day Star Wars died came. It was May 19, 1999. When we saw the Phantom Menace there was no attempting to convince ourselves that it was good. We left the theater completely disillusioned.

    I returned to the theater in 2002 and 2005 with hope but always left the theater disappointed. I lost interest in everything Star Wars as the books and comics focused on the prequel characters that I found so bland and uninteresting.

    Even so, I still have hope for Star Wars VII-IX and I still think that Disney should adapt the Thrawn series as a trilogy of CGI films to fill the gap between VI and VII. I guess I’m an eternal optimist :-)

  20. Darrin and Ruth Sutherland says:

    I agree with Rob’s comments on Superman Returns as a good movie of a flawed idea.

    I also liked the positive comments about George Lucas and I agree.

    However, I disagree that the prequels get better. I think all are equally bad. Plus I actually get more disappointed with each because they didn’t learn as they went along.

    And I must say would happily watch Van Helsing anytime instead of having to sit through the prequels again :-)

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