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Hostess Fruit Pie Ads, Fury of Firestorm #42, & Listener Feedback – FIRE & WATER #49

Hostess Fruit Pies with Aquaman & Firehawk - The Fire and Water PodcastThe 49th episode of THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST is now available for your listening pleasure! THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST is the official podcast of FIRESTORM FAN and THE AQUAMAN SHRINE.

This episode Rob and Shag revisit the beloved Bronze Age comic book advertisements for Hostess Snacks! Plus, Shag takes a look at the classic Fury of Firestorm #42 (Dec. 1985) featuring Firehawk & Wonder Girl! Finally we wrap-up with a massive dose of your Listener Feedback! For more on Hostess Snack comic book advertisements, visit these sites:

You can find the 49th episode of THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST on iTunes. While you’re there, please drop us a review on the iTunes page. Every comment helps! Alternatively, you may download the podcast by right-clicking here, choosing “Save Target/Link As”, and selecting a location on your computer to save the file (69 MB).

As always, thanks to my co-host Rob Kelly, Sea King of THE AQUAMAN SHRINE, for doing all the post-production on these episodes! Intro theme, “That Time is Now,” by Michael Kohler. Special thanks to Daniel Adams and Ashton Burge with their band The Bad Mamma Jammas for our fantastic original closing theme!

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Check out below the cover to The Fury of Firestorm: The Nuclear Man #42 and an Aquaman Hostess ad! For more of this Firestorm issue and Hostess ads, visit our Tumblr site!

 Fury of Firestorm #42 by Gerry Conway and Rafael Kayanan


 Hostess Fruit Pie Advertisement with Aquaman

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  1. Frank says:

    1. I don’t mind the Slipknot bit, but Rob’s running that Ace Kilroy joke into the ground. I went to Amazon, Mile High Comics, My Comic and even the Grand Comic Book Database and found nada. There’s clearly no such book available.

    2. Edgar Wright means I’ll never get my Atom movie. Another opportunity missed by the Warner Brothers brain trust’s failure to utilize DC properties. Nothing seen in that footage was Ant-Man moves. That’s Ray Palmer action in the Eric O’Grady costume.

    3. “Trinity War” is going to suck. There’s a bunch of ancillary crap that shouldn’t be necessary, but it’s still just the afterbirth of the New 52 from back when they didn’t know what they were going to be doing at this point in time. They’ll perfunctorily hit the key points that they’ve mapped out despite being blind to where they were headed, and then use this mess to springboard the crossover concept that they really want to do. This isn’t “Legends.” Its “War of the Gods.”

    4. No Martian Manhunter Hostess ad. There was a conflict with his deal at Nabisco.

    5. Most of those Aquaman ads look to have been inked by Vince Colletta. Looks like Swan drew several.

    6. Please tell me one of those Gil Kane ads had an upshot that made it look like someone was going to inhale a pie through their nostrils.

    7. Captain Mar-Vell was a big deal for a short, specific length of time. Pat Broderick and Al Milgrom couldn’t sustain Starlin’s heat. Did those guys ever do anything else? Also, has anyone ever linked Hostess Fruit Pies to carcinogens?

  2. rob! says:

    1. If you don’t like jokes being run into the ground I’m not sure why you’re listening to the show Frank.

    2. DC can’t even get Wonder Woman made, I’d say even being remotely disappointed that there won’t be an Atom movie is staggeringly optimistic, which seems even more optimistic when it comes from you!

    3. Agreed. Enough with the crossovers.

    4. Why has Nabisco ever done something with this? Especially during JJ’s fame during the JLU years.

    5. Yep.

    6. No nostril shot, but it does look like it was inked via Rapidograph, common for Kane’s later work.

    7. The true reason Mar-Vell died…Hostess snack cakes!

  3. Siskoid says:

    What turned you off Doom Patrol, Shag? The appearance of Super-Hip? Shame on you 😉

    On translations: In French too, there used to be a time when translations created French names for characters, while today, they’ll just keep the English name and have them pronounced atrociously. For example, the Flinstones were Les Pierre-à-Feux, and Barney Rubble as Arthur Laroche. It was a way of getting the puns to work in the language. I remember some comics sporting names like L’Areignée (Spider-Man) and Capitaine Amérique. etc., though that didn’t last very long.

    Firestorm action figures would have an incredible amount of FIRESTORMS, period. There are so many variations. But if the first release had only one, I would base the line around the Nuclear Men from when I started reading: Firestorm, Firehawk, Multiplex, Enforcer and Tokamak. It needs a clear plastic Martin Stein head sold with the Firestorm figure. Of course.

    Stop with the feedback? I write the comments as I listen, so Rob’s warning comes a little too late.

  4. Sean Koury says:

    OMG, I still haven’t listened to the last episode, and now this is up. I’m so far behind on life these days!!! Busy reading Ace Kilroy!

  5. Leenovak16 says:

    As you know, I listen to the podcast at work. After playing the little “So…” drinking game, I would just like you to know I am currently at Scottsdale Memorial Hospital having my stomach pumped and updating my resume. Thank you.

  6. Siskoid says:

    I played with water. As you can imagine, I had to press pause often.

  7. rob! says:

    We warned you Lee!

  8. rob! says:

    Busy reading Ace Kilroy!

    Wow, I’m really robbing Peter to pay Paul there.

  9. Sean Koury says:

    Haha! Don’t worry, rob! I’m all done Ace and am now all caught up on F&W, except for this episode, which I am downloading now.

  10. Frank says:

    8. That’s some really nice art by Kayanan, and it does invoke the richness of Perez. As a character, Donna Troy is a snore, but as a brunette in a costume, NTT-period Wonder Girl turns me on. I never found Wonder Woman sexy, I suppose because I see her as a heroine first and a female second or later. She’s also not of my ideal body type, and the costume leaving so little to the imagination doesn’t stir the right sort of daydreams, either. Donna’s knee high vinyl boots and skintight red unitard on the other hand has the boom that make me think the wrong thing.

    9. I join Shag in opposing Simpsons references on the podcast and in life in general, because it hasn’t been amusing since 1994 or so (see also: Saturday Night Live references after whichever subjective date you decided it stopped being funny.) However, I must confess that every time someone from Woodbury called a walker a “biter,” I cursed Shelbyville’s foolish ways.

    10. I read the first two Giffen Doom Patrol trades via my local library. It’s surprisingly good, especially the art by Matthew Clark.

    11. The Super Powers Martian Manhunter card mentioned Commander Blanx and Mister V, so they’d have to be part of the dream line. Ma’alefa’ak, Professor Arnold Hugo, Bel Juz, The Marshal, Hunter Commander J’en, Glenn Gammeron, B’rett, and The Osprey would all make for rad action figures. Iwangis the Creature King or the Giant Genie of Gensu could be build-a-figures.

    12. I dropped PAD Aquaman after about six lousy months, tried it many times afterward, and never once felt like Peter David was on the right track.

    13. Martian Manhunter representing Earth in Brightest Day was so many times more stupid than Hawkman representing air that I’m embarrassed for your big so-so mouth, Shag.

    14. Jaconetti seemed to confuse Shag’s indifference to Batty-Bat and the Funky Outsiders with my slavering hatred of them. I should start a new blog devoted to offering a daily rationale for why they suck. I could do a theme year on Geo-Fart alone.

    15. I have the hardy liver evolution bestows upon only the most unrepentant drunks. A favorite childhood story of my father’s was the night his father came home, opened a can of Spam, pulled out the brick of heavily processed meat, flicked the copious sludge of encasing jelly into the sink, and proceeded to eat the Spam like an apple in between shots from a bottle of vodka until both were gone. The old man then grabbed his hat and was right back out the door again, into the night, destination unknown. I have so many stories about my own pa that it’s tough to choose just one, although his graphic oratory concerning the particulars of the night of my conception or that time he forgot where he left my sister would be right up there. However, I listen to Shag for the substance of his words, not the particulars of how he says things, and really can’t be bothered to count the number of times he might make a trivial default utterance. What sort of wretch would be so sad an example of the human race as to fixate on such a matter?

  11. Siskoid says:

    Be careful Frank. I’ve tried doing #14, panel after panel, page after page, issue after issue, but it can’t be sustained for more than a couple issues a year, spread over months, because it completely drains your will to live to read them.

  12. Frank says:

    I remember your Outsiders work Siskoid. It was fantastic, and your sacrifice will be remembered and retold in song for ages to come. Sentenced to the guillotine, the lash, or the Outsiders, I’m not sure which cross I would choose to bear.

  13. “You can only take rejection for so long.” And yet I keep on recording my podcast, and commenting on others. Go figure.

    Regarding Ant-Man and The Atom, about the only thing I can say is that neither of them any good badguys. Who would the bad guy be in an Ant-Man movie? Egghead? Whirlwind? The Porcupine?

    Hawkman’s Hostess Ad entitled “Concerts and Cupcakes” is a lot of fun. Hawkman uses the power of cupcakes to quell a potential riot at a “Pete McCarthy And The Flyers” concert. Seems the primadonna is “sick” and cannot perform, enraging the already hopped-up-on-goofballs crowd into a near frenzy. Luckily, the Winged Wonder’s quick thinking, along with his feathered friends dive-bombing of snack cakes, quiets the crowd. Because nothing espouses Thanagarian culture more than appeasing hippies with delicious chocolate cake, fudgey frosting, and cream filling before locking them up for the rest of their lives as dissidents. Plus, nice to see Curt Swan drawing Hawkman as well!

    Hawkman also has a fairly boring ad involving catching a falling skydiver. But he also had a really neat one with the Hostess-exclusive super villainess Golden Raven! This chick has a haircut like Jean Loring but is less insane, as she only intends to use her trained falcons to hold Hawkman at bay while she steals a golden statue. But her plan is undone by the application of Fruit Pies. Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have a woman defeated by chocolate, instead? (Oh yeah, I’ll be in trouble for that one.) Also, why would you send birds to attack Hawkman, who can talk to and command birds? I’m expecting Golden Raven to pop up at some point in the new Justice League of America.

    Actually, at one point in the early days of Thunderbolts, Kurt Busiek brought in a Hostess Ad bad guy (Icemaster) in as a member of the Masters of Evil.

    @Frank, @ Siskoid, I’ll stop talking about the Outsiders if you guys dislike them so much. I wasn’t confusing anything; Keith G. Jaconetti’s anti-Shag rant was part of the act, folks. (“Dammit Jaconetti, you’re breaking the fourth wall!”)

  14. Siskoid says:

    Luke, the pro-Outsiders rants are hilarious. Don’t stop.

    Even the more notable Atom villains are very Atom-ey. Chronos, Doctor Light, those guys. I guess tiny heroes are all about villainous scientists.

    How about that White Dwarf guy?

    But really, is there a rule that superhero movies must feature a SUPERvillain?

  15. @Siskoid, I’m glad you were amused. That was not my intention, to make you laugh. That alone is a reason not to continue.

    Anyway, the only Atom villain worth a damn is Jean Loring, and we all know it. Is there money to be made in a movie wherein our hero fights against his viscious, emasculating, man-hating, psychopathic girlfriend? Personally, I’d pay to see it, but we’d all know how it would end.

  16. That first part came out wrong. I meant something along the lines of “If you were amused by it, then that alone is a reason to stop.” :)

  17. Frank says:

    The early Atom stories were about Ray solving mysteries and dealing with situations via the two-edged sword of shrinking powers. Beyond introducing Palmer & company in an origin story, I’d stick with him fighting hoods/spies/terrorists in his first (and probably only) movie. I’d also use the Atom to introduce DC espionage characters, the way the Marvel movies threaded S.H.I.E.L.D. throughout their narrative, but from a more realistic, morally compromised angle. If that actually worked, it would open up guys like the Suicide Squad and Kobra for the sequel. Maybe save the time-traveling Chronos for the trilogy endcap. Most importantly, leave the Floronic Man to Swamp Thing and the Bug-Eyed Bandit alone entirely.

  18. Keith Samra says:

    Let me be the first to say the Man Of Steel trailer (#3) kicked some major Candy Ass! Looks like Avengers level action, taken out by Superman alone!

    Yes I know its not Firestorm or Aquaman related, but since we’re discussing Doom Patrol, Dr Who (cares) etc… I thought I’d plug Superman!

  19. rob! says:

    Dr. Who (cares)

    Kinda mean, sure, but genius enough it deserves to be restated.

  20. cリnical says:

    Am I really the only one who loves crossovers?

    I agree with Frank. The Simpsons hasn’t been funny or relevant in decades. It’s a shame the show is still running.

    If we’re solely using the ludicrous Filmation series as the end-all, be-all of He-Man lore, then yeah. Hordak sucks. But if you consider the comics, mini-comics, or the infinitely superior animated series from the 2000s, Hordak is a legit bad ass and exclusive He-Man villain.

  21. I agree THE SIMPSONS became irrelevant when SOUTH PARK was premiered, but that doesn’t make cribbing a good line any less worthwhile. Much of the Simpsons’ glory days remains classic, and if a joke works, it works (and Rob’s would have worked if Shag had been awake).

    @ Siskoid – the White Dwarf guy you’re referring to, I believe, is Dwarfstar from the Choi-era ALL-NEW ATOM series.

    @ Frank – The shrinking hero fighting spies and terrorists is what I would focus a solo ANT-MAN movie on, along with grieving widower Hank Pym unexpectedly finding love again in Janet Van Dyne and agreeing to turn her into the Wasp so they could avenge the murder of her father. As for the Atom, I love Chronos and Dr. Light and the mad scientists, but if there was only one Atom movie I think you have to go the SWORD OF THE ATOM route.

    @ Keith – I also liked the new MAN OF STEEL trailer. I still have a number of concerns, though, including the PG-13 rating. As Greg Rucka tweeted: “If you can’t bring kids to a Superman movie, you’re doing something wrong.”

  22. cリnical says:

    The Man of Steel trailer was excellent. If only WB could get their heads out of their asses when it comes to every character not named Superman or Batman…

    Also, there’s this:

  23. PG-13 is the new PG, though. Warners would have lobbied for the higher rating if it had come down as PG. PG is a kiss of death for live action movies in today’s market — PG-13 is the target demographic for these tentpole films.

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