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	<title>Comments on: Killer Frost #1, Black Manta #1, &amp; Listener Feedback &#8211; FIRE &amp; WATER #65</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Singh</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-159120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Singh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and just so I don&#039;t offend anybody, I don&#039;t really think Namor&#039;s a pussy... Just showing love for Aquaman!... But Namor is a jerk, and I agree with Siskoid, Jerks do make good protagonists!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and just so I don&#8217;t offend anybody, I don&#8217;t really think Namor&#8217;s a pussy&#8230; Just showing love for Aquaman!&#8230; But Namor is a jerk, and I agree with Siskoid, Jerks do make good protagonists!</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Singh</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-159118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Singh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK finished the episode. I haven&#039;t had the chance to read 99% of the Peter David Aquaman run, but I was never a fan of the hook hand! I feel he was really &quot;90&#039;s-ified&quot; with that look! Especially the metal one arm shirt. But I did like that Peter David gave Aquaman&#039;s powers a bit of a boost!

P.S. Namor&#039;s a pussy! He got taken out by a whale! - DC vs Marvel in &#039;96!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK finished the episode. I haven&#8217;t had the chance to read 99% of the Peter David Aquaman run, but I was never a fan of the hook hand! I feel he was really &#8220;90&#8217;s-ified&#8221; with that look! Especially the metal one arm shirt. But I did like that Peter David gave Aquaman&#8217;s powers a bit of a boost!</p>
<p>P.S. Namor&#8217;s a pussy! He got taken out by a whale! &#8211; DC vs Marvel in &#8217;96!</p>
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		<title>By: Anj</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for great show guys. 

I left comments on Killer Frost on Firestorm Fan. I have to disagree wit Shag about the Deadshot issue. I much prefer his original origin of rich socialite boy raised in crazy family with a penchant for being a marksman. If you haven&#039;t ever read the Ostrander/McDonnell Deadshot mini-series from the late 80&#039;s, I highly recommend it.

My real reason for writing is about the &#039;reading comics in public&#039; discussion. Like Rob, I have very little opportunity to read comics in public. But since becoming a dad and especially raising three daughters, I have gone out of my way to show them that I am happy with who I am and have little use for people who would judge me superficially. 

So while I might not be reading comics, they see me out in public wearing Supergirl and Red Lantern shirts. They bought me a Superman lunch bag which I use when I pack a lunch. They bought me a Superman tote bag to bring to the comic store so I don&#039;t use plastic bags. I walk with them proudly. My office has original comic art on the wall. And everyone in my office knows I am a huge comic book/sci-fi/etc geek. 

I let them know that if someone thinks less of me because of the shirt I wear or because I like comics, that isn&#039;t my problem ... it&#039;s theirs.

As a result they don&#039;t hide that they like comics as one of their hobbies. They are just as likely to wear a Wonder Woman shirt as they are to wear something from Justice. And I love hearing when they say they needed to join into a bus conversation about Green Lantern, quote The Rocketeer to their friends, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for great show guys. </p>
<p>I left comments on Killer Frost on Firestorm Fan. I have to disagree wit Shag about the Deadshot issue. I much prefer his original origin of rich socialite boy raised in crazy family with a penchant for being a marksman. If you haven&#8217;t ever read the Ostrander/McDonnell Deadshot mini-series from the late 80&#8217;s, I highly recommend it.</p>
<p>My real reason for writing is about the &#8216;reading comics in public&#8217; discussion. Like Rob, I have very little opportunity to read comics in public. But since becoming a dad and especially raising three daughters, I have gone out of my way to show them that I am happy with who I am and have little use for people who would judge me superficially. </p>
<p>So while I might not be reading comics, they see me out in public wearing Supergirl and Red Lantern shirts. They bought me a Superman lunch bag which I use when I pack a lunch. They bought me a Superman tote bag to bring to the comic store so I don&#8217;t use plastic bags. I walk with them proudly. My office has original comic art on the wall. And everyone in my office knows I am a huge comic book/sci-fi/etc geek. </p>
<p>I let them know that if someone thinks less of me because of the shirt I wear or because I like comics, that isn&#8217;t my problem &#8230; it&#8217;s theirs.</p>
<p>As a result they don&#8217;t hide that they like comics as one of their hobbies. They are just as likely to wear a Wonder Woman shirt as they are to wear something from Justice. And I love hearing when they say they needed to join into a bus conversation about Green Lantern, quote The Rocketeer to their friends, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158816</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A good Namor book right now is X-O Manowar.&quot;

Holy crap, is Siskoid right about this.  This book is a perfect example of how to have a not-nice-guy as your lead.  And it freaking rocks, to boot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A good Namor book right now is X-O Manowar.&#8221;</p>
<p>Holy crap, is Siskoid right about this.  This book is a perfect example of how to have a not-nice-guy as your lead.  And it freaking rocks, to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: Siskoid</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Siskoid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A good Namor book right now is X-O Manowar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good Namor book right now is X-O Manowar.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Addendum Addendum: I think Namor can carry his own title, but I also think he is a difficult character to write in a way that is both appealing to readers over the long term while still being true to his imperious, jerky nature.  I&#039;m reminded of something Arn Anderson said once of the return of the Four Horsemen -- &quot;Be careful what you wish for... we don&#039;t wear white hats... we&#039;re NOT nice guys!&quot;

Siskoid&#039;s point about Vril Dox is well made, as is Kyle&#039;s point about Namor&#039;s lack of oversight compared to Aquaman.  

I thought Stuart Moore did a good job handling Namor in his last solo series, and even though the title was strangely tied to the X-Men stuff going on at the time, Namor got to acquit himself nicely.  One bit which I really enjoyed in that series was that Moore explored the complicated friendship between Namor and Doctor Doom, which I think is ripe for more stories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum Addendum: I think Namor can carry his own title, but I also think he is a difficult character to write in a way that is both appealing to readers over the long term while still being true to his imperious, jerky nature.  I&#8217;m reminded of something Arn Anderson said once of the return of the Four Horsemen &#8212; &#8220;Be careful what you wish for&#8230; we don&#8217;t wear white hats&#8230; we&#8217;re NOT nice guys!&#8221;</p>
<p>Siskoid&#8217;s point about Vril Dox is well made, as is Kyle&#8217;s point about Namor&#8217;s lack of oversight compared to Aquaman.  </p>
<p>I thought Stuart Moore did a good job handling Namor in his last solo series, and even though the title was strangely tied to the X-Men stuff going on at the time, Namor got to acquit himself nicely.  One bit which I really enjoyed in that series was that Moore explored the complicated friendship between Namor and Doctor Doom, which I think is ripe for more stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158813</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Addendum: And honestly, though I know his Brightest Day story was not really your cup of tea, Martian Manhunter was primed and ready for a nice run of straight-up Alien Atlas superhero comics after his turns in Blackest Night and Brightest Day.  That he got shuffled off into Stormwatch instead of getting a starring turn was a shame.  At least he has his backup strip in JLoA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum: And honestly, though I know his Brightest Day story was not really your cup of tea, Martian Manhunter was primed and ready for a nice run of straight-up Alien Atlas superhero comics after his turns in Blackest Night and Brightest Day.  That he got shuffled off into Stormwatch instead of getting a starring turn was a shame.  At least he has his backup strip in JLoA.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158811</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank sez: &quot;13) I think fans spent nearly two years being primed by Blackest Night and Brightest Day for spin-off books that would continue ongoing storylines. The New 52 completely destroyed the momentum of Deadman, and forced the long beleaguered constituencies of Firestorm and Hawkman to start over from scratch yet again. Thanks to creative team consistency and a less pointed revision, only Aquaman ultimately benefited from all that effort. &quot;

Very true.  I remember how I felt at the end of Blackest Night -- all fistpumps and &quot;Yeahs!&quot; and all that -- over the return of the Hawks, Aquaman and Mera, the Martian Manhunter, etc.  And I remember how I felt at the end of Brightest Day -- all fistpumps and &quot;Yeahs!&quot; and all that once again -- now that Johns, Tomasi, and company had re-established all of these classic B-list folks, priming them for solo runs.  Heck, when the New 52 was in rumor stages, the title of &quot;The Savage Hawkman&quot; had me nearly convinced that Carter&#039;s savagery was going to be due to the loss of Shiera at the end of Brightest Day.

Needless to say it did not happen, and while I still have very much enjoyed the New 52, I agree that this functioned as a complete loss of momentum for Hawkman, Firestorm (who had a FANTASTIC cliffhanger in Brightest Day), Deadman, and even Hawk &amp; Dove, all of whom had been built up to feature-star status by BN/BD. 
Tellingly, 3 of those properties had launch titles which are now cancelled, with two of them folded into team books but not really getting much to do (Firestorm being more visible than Hawkman by a good margin even at that). Deadman had a launch feature in DCUP, but at least found a nice niche in a team book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank sez: &#8220;13) I think fans spent nearly two years being primed by Blackest Night and Brightest Day for spin-off books that would continue ongoing storylines. The New 52 completely destroyed the momentum of Deadman, and forced the long beleaguered constituencies of Firestorm and Hawkman to start over from scratch yet again. Thanks to creative team consistency and a less pointed revision, only Aquaman ultimately benefited from all that effort. &#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.  I remember how I felt at the end of Blackest Night &#8212; all fistpumps and &#8220;Yeahs!&#8221; and all that &#8212; over the return of the Hawks, Aquaman and Mera, the Martian Manhunter, etc.  And I remember how I felt at the end of Brightest Day &#8212; all fistpumps and &#8220;Yeahs!&#8221; and all that once again &#8212; now that Johns, Tomasi, and company had re-established all of these classic B-list folks, priming them for solo runs.  Heck, when the New 52 was in rumor stages, the title of &#8220;The Savage Hawkman&#8221; had me nearly convinced that Carter&#8217;s savagery was going to be due to the loss of Shiera at the end of Brightest Day.</p>
<p>Needless to say it did not happen, and while I still have very much enjoyed the New 52, I agree that this functioned as a complete loss of momentum for Hawkman, Firestorm (who had a FANTASTIC cliffhanger in Brightest Day), Deadman, and even Hawk &amp; Dove, all of whom had been built up to feature-star status by BN/BD.<br />
Tellingly, 3 of those properties had launch titles which are now cancelled, with two of them folded into team books but not really getting much to do (Firestorm being more visible than Hawkman by a good margin even at that). Deadman had a launch feature in DCUP, but at least found a nice niche in a team book.</p>
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		<title>By: Siskoid</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Siskoid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jerks can make good protagonists. It&#039;s why I love Vril Dox so much. A real manipulative bastard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerks can make good protagonists. It&#8217;s why I love Vril Dox so much. A real manipulative bastard.</p>
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		<title>By: Count Drunkula</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2013/09/23/fire-water-65/comment-page-1/#comment-158809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Count Drunkula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read a lot of the Byrne run and a lot of the Jae Lee stories.  There was some good, but a lot of &quot;meh&quot;  to me.  And I agree that he is the resident @$$hole of the Marvel Universe, but it&#039;s also for that reason that I don&#039;t think he can really work as a protagonist of a series.  Again, I love the character. This isn&#039;t meant to be a knock on him, but I think he serves a particular purpose and that&#039;s as an occasional villain, sometime rival love-interest, and frequent-but-frustrating ally.

Back to the podcast: &quot;…like the last bite of a cookie&quot; is not a metaphor. It&#039;s a simile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a lot of the Byrne run and a lot of the Jae Lee stories.  There was some good, but a lot of &#8220;meh&#8221;  to me.  And I agree that he is the resident @$$hole of the Marvel Universe, but it&#8217;s also for that reason that I don&#8217;t think he can really work as a protagonist of a series.  Again, I love the character. This isn&#8217;t meant to be a knock on him, but I think he serves a particular purpose and that&#8217;s as an occasional villain, sometime rival love-interest, and frequent-but-frustrating ally.</p>
<p>Back to the podcast: &#8220;…like the last bite of a cookie&#8221; is not a metaphor. It&#8217;s a simile.</p>
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