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	<title>Comments on: Fury of Firestorm #13, 14 &amp; 15</title>
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		<title>By: Martin Stein RIP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Stein RIP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 03:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve said before, they could have the lead character be Mikhail Arkadin merging with an old Buick; if it&#039;s a book called Firestorm, I&#039;m in for the duration.  I&#039;m actually quite glad that Jurgens&#039; direction is as enjoyable as it is, for as long as it lasts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said before, they could have the lead character be Mikhail Arkadin merging with an old Buick; if it&#8217;s a book called Firestorm, I&#8217;m in for the duration.  I&#8217;m actually quite glad that Jurgens&#8217; direction is as enjoyable as it is, for as long as it lasts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Tigner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray Tigner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just &quot;can&#039;t&quot; like this new book no matter how much I&#039;ve tried....

Maybe its the reboot fatigue...maybe its feeling burned constantly by DC/Dido....maybe its buying Brightest Day/Darkest Night and feeling i got robbed of my money...maybe its Ethan and Gails poor portrayal of this character...maybe its DC saying that Martin Stein HAS to be dead, but aren&#039;t given a reason why...maybe it going into 14 issues and we still haven&#039;t seen a original Firestorm Rogue...Maybe its just everything....

Everything that I loved about the character is gone...Jurgens (bless his heart) is trying to put the love back into this book, but it all feels forced and it’s all being done too quickly (I&#039;m assuming because issue 18 will be the last).  

I really have tried to like Dan Jurgens take on this series....but as it was mentioned, maybe this character needs to &quot;disappear for a few years&quot; before I&#039;m excited again.  I just can&#039;t in good conscience give DC more money for junk books.  

I&#039;ve been patient and forgiving with the decisions Didio/DC has made on Firestorm for probably the last 6 years.....and this New 52 version, I just can&#039;t forgive anymore......for now...it’s just not in me.   Mainly because they don&#039;t have what i call a perceived &quot;direction&quot; for the New 52.  As it was stated, DC seems like they are throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, which doesn&#039;t seem like much.

For now...I just can&#039;t do it anymore]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; like this new book no matter how much I&#8217;ve tried&#8230;.</p>
<p>Maybe its the reboot fatigue&#8230;maybe its feeling burned constantly by DC/Dido&#8230;.maybe its buying Brightest Day/Darkest Night and feeling i got robbed of my money&#8230;maybe its Ethan and Gails poor portrayal of this character&#8230;maybe its DC saying that Martin Stein HAS to be dead, but aren&#8217;t given a reason why&#8230;maybe it going into 14 issues and we still haven&#8217;t seen a original Firestorm Rogue&#8230;Maybe its just everything&#8230;.</p>
<p>Everything that I loved about the character is gone&#8230;Jurgens (bless his heart) is trying to put the love back into this book, but it all feels forced and it’s all being done too quickly (I&#8217;m assuming because issue 18 will be the last).  </p>
<p>I really have tried to like Dan Jurgens take on this series&#8230;.but as it was mentioned, maybe this character needs to &#8220;disappear for a few years&#8221; before I&#8217;m excited again.  I just can&#8217;t in good conscience give DC more money for junk books.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been patient and forgiving with the decisions Didio/DC has made on Firestorm for probably the last 6 years&#8230;..and this New 52 version, I just can&#8217;t forgive anymore&#8230;&#8230;for now&#8230;it’s just not in me.   Mainly because they don&#8217;t have what i call a perceived &#8220;direction&#8221; for the New 52.  As it was stated, DC seems like they are throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, which doesn&#8217;t seem like much.</p>
<p>For now&#8230;I just can&#8217;t do it anymore</p>
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		<title>By: Cros</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cros]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 10:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright thanks for replying, I will try mile high, I had not checked than one out yet. And yeah i want to read her first appearance, so thanks for the recomendation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright thanks for replying, I will try mile high, I had not checked than one out yet. And yeah i want to read her first appearance, so thanks for the recomendation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shag</title>
		<link>http://firestormfan.com/2012/12/03/fof-1314-15/comment-page-1/#comment-96607</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 04:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the comments!  In case anyone is wondering, we haven&#039;t heard anything about FIRESTORM being canceled, we&#039;re only speculating.  Please support the book in any way possible.  The best way to ensure continued Firestorm comics is to buy the current series and encourage others to as well!

@Charlemagne - Keep up the good work!  You rock!

@Craig - Captain Atom/Silver Surfer is mentioned in the Comic Book interview with Dan Jurgens.  Check it out!

@Outburst - I hope that is the case, but my concern is the baseline is significantly behind the majority of other DC comics.  Firestorm is one of the comics regularly at the bottom of the DC sales charts.  :(

@Boosterrific - I figured you&#039;d especially like the graph.  :)  Yes, cancellation at issue #18 seems logical. Issues 13-18 would make a nice trade paperback.  If so, then it makes sense to cancel at 18.  

@nWoJeffDW - I think each incarnation of Firestorm features redeeming qualities.  I know you&#039;re a Ronnie/Martin purest, but I think there is a lot of value in the Ronnie/Jason Firestorm (whether it be from Brightest Day or current version).  With that said, I wish Martin Stein was still alive, even if he was just a supporting character.

@Martin Stein RIP - You may be right.  Loosing so many readers early on made it very hard to recapture them.  Maybe a few years away will build some demand.  Or perhaps they should stick Firestorm on the Teen Titans or JLA, then build some new fandom, then try again with a new FIRESTORM #1 in a few years.

@Cros - Great to hear ARROW has created new FIRESTORM fans!  I&#039;m not completely sure which issues of FIRESTORM were the most critical for her.  Definitely pick up her first appearance, THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MAN #23 (May 1984).  Then pick up issue #29 as she returns there.  Beyond that, please reference this complete list of her appearances in comics:
http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=7845
For information on the character, check out this write-up:
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Felicity_Smoak_%28New_Earth%29
If you have trouble finding the comics locally, try an online retailer like Mile High Comics. Hope this helps and thanks for commenting!

Y&#039;all rock!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments!  In case anyone is wondering, we haven&#8217;t heard anything about FIRESTORM being canceled, we&#8217;re only speculating.  Please support the book in any way possible.  The best way to ensure continued Firestorm comics is to buy the current series and encourage others to as well!</p>
<p>@Charlemagne &#8211; Keep up the good work!  You rock!</p>
<p>@Craig &#8211; Captain Atom/Silver Surfer is mentioned in the Comic Book interview with Dan Jurgens.  Check it out!</p>
<p>@Outburst &#8211; I hope that is the case, but my concern is the baseline is significantly behind the majority of other DC comics.  Firestorm is one of the comics regularly at the bottom of the DC sales charts.  <img src="http://firestormfan.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/frownie.png" alt=":(" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>@Boosterrific &#8211; I figured you&#8217;d especially like the graph.  <img src="http://firestormfan.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />  Yes, cancellation at issue #18 seems logical. Issues 13-18 would make a nice trade paperback.  If so, then it makes sense to cancel at 18.  </p>
<p>@nWoJeffDW &#8211; I think each incarnation of Firestorm features redeeming qualities.  I know you&#8217;re a Ronnie/Martin purest, but I think there is a lot of value in the Ronnie/Jason Firestorm (whether it be from Brightest Day or current version).  With that said, I wish Martin Stein was still alive, even if he was just a supporting character.</p>
<p>@Martin Stein RIP &#8211; You may be right.  Loosing so many readers early on made it very hard to recapture them.  Maybe a few years away will build some demand.  Or perhaps they should stick Firestorm on the Teen Titans or JLA, then build some new fandom, then try again with a new FIRESTORM #1 in a few years.</p>
<p>@Cros &#8211; Great to hear ARROW has created new FIRESTORM fans!  I&#8217;m not completely sure which issues of FIRESTORM were the most critical for her.  Definitely pick up her first appearance, THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MAN #23 (May 1984).  Then pick up issue #29 as she returns there.  Beyond that, please reference this complete list of her appearances in comics:<br />
<a href="http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=7845" rel="nofollow">http://www.comicbookdb.com/character_chron.php?ID=7845</a><br />
For information on the character, check out this write-up:<br />
<a href="http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Felicity_Smoak_%28New_Earth%29" rel="nofollow">http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Felicity_Smoak_%28New_Earth%29</a><br />
If you have trouble finding the comics locally, try an online retailer like Mile High Comics. Hope this helps and thanks for commenting!</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all rock!</p>
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		<title>By: Cros</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cros]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah also I would love to see Ronnie &amp; Edward Raymond in the Arrow show. Maybe Jason too and professor stein can guest star.  I dont think that it was just a coincidence they have the character of Felicity. In the show she  looks exactly as she does in the comics, so yeah I think they are aware of the character&#039;s presence in firestorm. I&#039;m hoping they bring some firestorm mythology in the series. Cant wait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah also I would love to see Ronnie &amp; Edward Raymond in the Arrow show. Maybe Jason too and professor stein can guest star.  I dont think that it was just a coincidence they have the character of Felicity. In the show she  looks exactly as she does in the comics, so yeah I think they are aware of the character&#8217;s presence in firestorm. I&#8217;m hoping they bring some firestorm mythology in the series. Cant wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Cros</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cros]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, I read the new 52 firestorm book, Ronnie is my favorite and Jason is awesome as well. 

So I also really like this character Felicity smoak on Arrow, she is awesome. She is actually the reason I initially  tried  new 52 firestorm and has taken an interest in this superhero and his comics, though she isnt in it at least not yet, I stayed because Ronnie &amp; Jason are interesting characters. Please recommend me old comics where the character of Felicity is mostly in. (As well as other comics with Ed raymond bonding with Ronnie). Where can I get the comics from, its extremely hard to get such old comics. Tried comixology and they don&#039;t have the specific issues I want,( like where felicity/edward/ronnie are in together). Would  really appreciate the help.

Sorry had to ask here, wanted to ask on tumbrl but there was no ask. Hope you dont mind I asked here. thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I read the new 52 firestorm book, Ronnie is my favorite and Jason is awesome as well. </p>
<p>So I also really like this character Felicity smoak on Arrow, she is awesome. She is actually the reason I initially  tried  new 52 firestorm and has taken an interest in this superhero and his comics, though she isnt in it at least not yet, I stayed because Ronnie &amp; Jason are interesting characters. Please recommend me old comics where the character of Felicity is mostly in. (As well as other comics with Ed raymond bonding with Ronnie). Where can I get the comics from, its extremely hard to get such old comics. Tried comixology and they don&#8217;t have the specific issues I want,( like where felicity/edward/ronnie are in together). Would  really appreciate the help.</p>
<p>Sorry had to ask here, wanted to ask on tumbrl but there was no ask. Hope you dont mind I asked here. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Stein RIP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin Stein RIP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 18:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think, unfortunately, the damage has probably been done to this series.  The only hope for the series is that it has indeed found its baseline and this baseline is acceptable to the powers that be.  I don&#039;t know what it means that Jurgens&#039;s first issue sold even worse than its predecessors.  All I can possibly attribute that to is reboot fatigue.  That even if it&#039;s a reboot that goes in a positive direction, it&#039;s still a reboot.  They had their chance for one more Firestorm reboot with issue #1 of the series, and they blew it.  Keeping in mind that Firestorm is a character that has probably been rebooted nine times since his original inception.  

When the very first reboot happened in the late 1980s, with Mikhail Arkadin, I was totally on board.  I agreed that the original formula had become stale, and I really enjoyed the new geopolitical direction the book took on.  But what a can of worms they opened with that one reboot.  Then it was elemental Firestorm.  Then it was solo Ronnie.  Then it was solo Jason.  Then it was Jason and Martin.  Then it was Jason and Ronnie.  Then it was the nuclear men.  Now it&#039;s back to Jason and Ronnie.  That&#039;s a lot of rebooting for one character.  My suspicion is just that the readership, no matter how good we think the current reboot is, is saying &quot;enough&#039;s enough with the reboots.&quot;

Maybe the character needs to go away for a little while--- YET AGAIN--- before coming back with a new lease on life.  Sigh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think, unfortunately, the damage has probably been done to this series.  The only hope for the series is that it has indeed found its baseline and this baseline is acceptable to the powers that be.  I don&#8217;t know what it means that Jurgens&#8217;s first issue sold even worse than its predecessors.  All I can possibly attribute that to is reboot fatigue.  That even if it&#8217;s a reboot that goes in a positive direction, it&#8217;s still a reboot.  They had their chance for one more Firestorm reboot with issue #1 of the series, and they blew it.  Keeping in mind that Firestorm is a character that has probably been rebooted nine times since his original inception.  </p>
<p>When the very first reboot happened in the late 1980s, with Mikhail Arkadin, I was totally on board.  I agreed that the original formula had become stale, and I really enjoyed the new geopolitical direction the book took on.  But what a can of worms they opened with that one reboot.  Then it was elemental Firestorm.  Then it was solo Ronnie.  Then it was solo Jason.  Then it was Jason and Martin.  Then it was Jason and Ronnie.  Then it was the nuclear men.  Now it&#8217;s back to Jason and Ronnie.  That&#8217;s a lot of rebooting for one character.  My suspicion is just that the readership, no matter how good we think the current reboot is, is saying &#8220;enough&#8217;s enough with the reboots.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe the character needs to go away for a little while&#8212; YET AGAIN&#8212; before coming back with a new lease on life.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: nWoJeffDW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nWoJeffDW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 08:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is DC should have started with this version of Firestorm.  This is the version everyone wanted.  But instead they allowed the concept to get mucked up with watered down versions of what was an original character.  

In my opinion, Firestorm is a character that is hard to get wrong, yet for almost a decade now, Dan Didio has been doing just that.  First with a horrible bait and switch (giving us Jason Rusch when we wanted Ronnie Raymond) and just as they were about to get it right again, the kill Martin Stein and then reboot Firestorm completely, leaving plotpoints dangling from Brightest Day, with a ridiculously overly-complicated and political storyline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is DC should have started with this version of Firestorm.  This is the version everyone wanted.  But instead they allowed the concept to get mucked up with watered down versions of what was an original character.  </p>
<p>In my opinion, Firestorm is a character that is hard to get wrong, yet for almost a decade now, Dan Didio has been doing just that.  First with a horrible bait and switch (giving us Jason Rusch when we wanted Ronnie Raymond) and just as they were about to get it right again, the kill Martin Stein and then reboot Firestorm completely, leaving plotpoints dangling from Brightest Day, with a ridiculously overly-complicated and political storyline.</p>
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		<title>By: Boosterrific</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boosterrific]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 03:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at those numbers, cancellation seems inevitable by issue #18.

Sales below 20,000 by issue 5 is a terrible indicator, and there has been no sign of life since. It looks like that 2 Firestorm approach by Simone and Van Sciver may have crushed any opportunity for the current FIRESTORM title. (Personally, I don&#039;t think it was the 2 Firestorms concept that killed the title as much as it was opaque and confusing storytelling.)

As comparison: JLI was selling double these numbers, and not only was it canceled, they killed off half the team! Hopefully, even in the worst-case scenario, Firestorm gets a quick axe so that the characters can return in the future.

DC&#039;s current strategy of &quot;let&#039;s throw it all against the wall and see what sticks&quot; would indicate that they&#039;d rather let the title be replaced by something new than make any real attempt at resuscitation. Not that I want to see FIRESTORM go away, mind you, but if we want to see the title or characters stick around, fans need to start making some noise.

(Love the graph, btw!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at those numbers, cancellation seems inevitable by issue #18.</p>
<p>Sales below 20,000 by issue 5 is a terrible indicator, and there has been no sign of life since. It looks like that 2 Firestorm approach by Simone and Van Sciver may have crushed any opportunity for the current FIRESTORM title. (Personally, I don&#8217;t think it was the 2 Firestorms concept that killed the title as much as it was opaque and confusing storytelling.)</p>
<p>As comparison: JLI was selling double these numbers, and not only was it canceled, they killed off half the team! Hopefully, even in the worst-case scenario, Firestorm gets a quick axe so that the characters can return in the future.</p>
<p>DC&#8217;s current strategy of &#8220;let&#8217;s throw it all against the wall and see what sticks&#8221; would indicate that they&#8217;d rather let the title be replaced by something new than make any real attempt at resuscitation. Not that I want to see FIRESTORM go away, mind you, but if we want to see the title or characters stick around, fans need to start making some noise.</p>
<p>(Love the graph, btw!)</p>
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		<title>By: outburst</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those numbers may not be great but they look like they&#039;ve predictably levelled out. There isn&#039;t a whole lot of change in the last 8 or 9 issues, which means we may be down to the truly faithful readers.
I see that as being promising. Now the writers have their baseline they can try to focus on strong storytelling to get new people on board who may have stopped reading other lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those numbers may not be great but they look like they&#8217;ve predictably levelled out. There isn&#8217;t a whole lot of change in the last 8 or 9 issues, which means we may be down to the truly faithful readers.<br />
I see that as being promising. Now the writers have their baseline they can try to focus on strong storytelling to get new people on board who may have stopped reading other lines.</p>
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